Posts by Touchofgrey

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Q about Jesus' sacrifice
by oncebitten in
1. jw
2. friends
i have several jw family members.

i have been shunned many years now.

i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.
Touchofgrey

Is there any independent evidence that has been verified by independent experts that a miracle worker jesus ever existed and died and was resurrected.
The four gospels accounts were written decades after the so called events and by unknown authors, so not eyewitness accounts.
Saul/Paul not a eyewitnes.
At the supposed death of jesus the sky went dark for three hours, earthquake,the temple curtain ripped in two ,the holy ones walked out of their tombs, even someone who wasn't interested in jesus would have noticed these things.
No mini facts please.
And that millions of people believe something doesn't make it true.
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Can God Change his Mind?
by peacefulpete in
1. watchtower
2. bible
is 31:yet he also is wise and will bring disaster and does not retract his words.. 1 sam 15: furthermore, the eternal one of israel does not lie or change his mind, for he is not man who changes his mind.. numbers 23: god is not a man who lies, or a son of man who changes his mind.

does he speak and not act, or promise and not fulfill?.

when the god you worship pronounces judgement, is he, really just issuing a warning or has the matter been determined through all the godly powers of insight, foresight and perfect judgement?
Touchofgrey

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/your-brain-food/202107/why-do-humans-keep-inventing-gods-worship
Man has created thousands of main gods ,each culture through human history has had many gods or just one .
Apollo, Poseidon, Zeus, cronus, dionysus hades etc.
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Can God Change his Mind?
by peacefulpete in
1. watchtower
2. bible
is 31:yet he also is wise and will bring disaster and does not retract his words.. 1 sam 15: furthermore, the eternal one of israel does not lie or change his mind, for he is not man who changes his mind.. numbers 23: god is not a man who lies, or a son of man who changes his mind.

does he speak and not act, or promise and not fulfill?.

when the god you worship pronounces judgement, is he, really just issuing a warning or has the matter been determined through all the godly powers of insight, foresight and perfect judgement?
Touchofgrey

Man created gods in their image .
The god of the bible behaves exactly like there bronze age creators. Just as men can change their minds so can their imagined god.
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Do you recognize the Truth? Watchtower July, 2024
by Listener in
1. watchtower
2. bible
the stated focus of this study article is.

focustraining ourselves to discern the difference between the truth we have learned from jehovah and the falsehoods promoted by satan and our opposers.. of course, the article goes on to claim that the truth is not only in the bible, but also from the watchtower organization.

the first of two qualities needed to discern truth is -.
Touchofgrey

Control and manipulation
You don't need to do any personal research we have done it for you, trust us we know best .
A high control group at its best.
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Quality of jw.org translation?
by Wonderment in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
someone asked the following question to an artificial intelligence (ai) website:.

how does the most translated website ensure accuracy of translations?.

answer: .
Touchofgrey

In the 1954 court case in Scotland regarding Douglas Walsh and jws being exempt from military service. Was fred Franz asked to translate a single bible verse and couldn't.
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What Does The Organization Really Teach?
by Sea Breeze in
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2. beliefs
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Touchofgrey

http://lucianofsamosata.info/wiki/doku.php?id=2013:why-lucians-view-of-the-christians-and-jesus-is-indeterminate
Lucian was a satirist.
Josephus was born in 37ce not a eyewitness.
A complete copy of his works is dated to around 1100 ce ,so about a 1000 years after the so called events. So there's probably little or nothing of early work, and some of the comments regarding jesus are written in a different style to how josephus wrote. So there's a great probability that the comments were inserted at a later date. So not a reliable source.
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What Does The Organization Really Teach?
by Sea Breeze in
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2. beliefs
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Touchofgrey

So julius caesar made up events and told lies, I see a pattern forming here .
Thanks for clearing that up for me, the death and resurrection account is a made up event and a lie and then embellished decades later by the anonymous authors of the four gospels and yet sadly people today still believe it to be true.
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What Does The Organization Really Teach?
by Sea Breeze in
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2. beliefs
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Touchofgrey

You can't report on something (miracles)that never happened. So no historical accounts will exist.
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What Does The Organization Really Teach?
by Sea Breeze in
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2. beliefs
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Touchofgrey

There's absolutely nothing in the gospels, or the entire Bible for that matter, that points to anything Christ did including the resurrection, that should be recorded and verified
Raising dead people back to life , feeding ten thousand people with a few loaves and fishes. Healing thousands of people with various ailments, walking on water etc ,sun going dark for 3 hours ,temple curtain ripped in two ,earthquake and the resurrection of the dead in Jerusalem at his death .
Possibly these things might get someone's attention.
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What Does The Organization Really Teach?
by Sea Breeze in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
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Touchofgrey

https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/21420
His reply to bart ,it's a good thing when these people question each other's opinions leds to progress and further research. That what led bart to agnosticism because of his questioning things and doing further research.
Your thoughts on habermas link ?
You still have not provided independent and verified eyewitnes evidence of jesus resurrection.